terrified." i was on a plane ride with him once, one of the engines went out and i was a little nervous about it, and i looked at him, and he just was reading the newspaper like nothing happened and when we got on the ground about a half an hour later he said, "man, you know, i was terrified." >> it's not what you feel, it's what you do with it. >> exactly and politicians, you have to hide some of that because you have to bridge over it, you have to triumph over it. >> the powerful message he, too, as flawed as we are, maybe we, too, can make a difference, maybe not with the power and port he did but we can make a difference. >> thank you for sharing the perspective. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you so much. >> a reminder, rick stegel is not just the former prime minister of britain, he was the former managing ed are to have "time" magazine and coauthor of "long walk to freedom" and he wrote "mandela's way: lessons an life, love and courage" important reads especially now. thank you for joining us.